AGENDA:
Morning Reflection:
Mudbound: Think, Pair, Share Discussion; Post responses on the blog!
Go over the material in the handout. Discuss questions at the end of each section with a partner. Post your responses in comment for credit today. What other questions do you have about the characters and your reading so far?
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HMWK: Finish Part 2 of Mudbound for Monday's discussion
1)If pappy didn't influence Jamie then maybe everyone's relationship with pappy would be better, pappy would be a more loveable and significant character with maybe more background information, but since he was a racist, his past wasn't meaningful.
ReplyDelete2)If Laura was 21 she probably would not have married Jamie in the first place their age difference would have been to vast. And she probably would have went straight for Jamie instead of ever cavorting with henry.
1) Laura's hate for the farm gave an eerie and aggravation mood, henry knowing that Laura does not care for the for the farm gives henry a sort of obligation to-do something about it.
2)A story will always have more meaning when more background information is given and when a new broaden perspective is given, I would love to hear the point of view from pappy where Jamie and henry are digging his grave and they find the slave remains.
1)I would travel in search of appreciation, even though I would love to help my family but at the end of the day you need to led your own life and make your own decisions.
2)No I do not Laura was never a match for henry her emotions when she met Jamie were much stronger and certain.
Question: If Laura had been twenty-one instead of thirty-one when she married Henry would the story line or her perspective change? If yes, how?
ReplyDeleteAnswer: Yes, I do think her perspective would change based on whether or not she is ten years younger, because part of her struggle before she married Henry was that she felt that no one was ever going to marry her because of her age. She would be a bit more fresh-minded and less anxious about marriage if she was twenty-one instead of thirty-one.
Question: Do you think Laura's attitude toward being on the farm affected the mood of the story?
Answer: I do think her attitude toward being on a farm affected the mood of the story, because the attitude she had toward being on the farm was reflected in everything that she did, thus changing the mood of the entire story.
Question: Would the story have more meaning if Pappy had been given a chapter in his perspective? Which scene would you most like to hear from his point-of-view?
Answer: I think the story would have not necessarily MORE meaning if Pappy had been given a chapter, but the meaning of the story would definitely shift a little bit if we were to hear any of stories on the timeline from his perspective. I think the scene I would most like to hear from his perspective was when Laura and Henry went to Henry's sister's house to find out her husband had killed himself. I think his perspective would've made the situation less dramatic and more matter-of-fact.
Question: If you were Ronsel and had just come home from the war to racism and disrespect would you travel North in search of appreciation, or would you stay and help your struggling family?
Answer: If I were Ronsel, I would want to move North, but I would want to take my family with me. If they refused to come with me, I would then go by myself.
Question: DO you consider Laura's affair with Jamie as a selfish and childish act against Henry, or as something Henry provoked and deserved from the lack of attention she received?
Answer: I think that this topic alone is kind of wishy-washy; I feel like, at first, it was kind of a selfish act, especially since she first met Jamie she found herself quietly lusting after him, but at the same time, she found herself lusting after him because of the lack of attention she got from Henry. Maybe it was both a selfish act AND an act of loneliness.
-Serita McKenzie
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ReplyDeleteKyra Majewski, Sara Rule, Alexander Christie, Carina Giannini
ReplyDelete1. If Pappy did not influence Henry or Jamie, the two brothers would have been able to have their own beliefs about society and how things should be run without fear of being reprimanded by their racist father. Jamie’s friendship with Ronsel shows that he is quite different from his father, and Laura explains how Henry’s mood switches in a flash when his father is present.
2.It would change because she wouldn’t have been so desperate to marry and settle down. If she was younger, Laura would have been more free to make her own decisions and wouldn’t have been pressured into marrying the first man that shows interest in her.
3. If the story was set in the North, Ronsel would be given more rights as an African American and would not be treated as horribly. That being said, while the North did offer more opportunities, racism was still present in a different way. He would not be sneered at or called names in the North, but he would not escape whispers of people who still clung to their conservative beliefs.
4. Ronsel compares and contrast the treatment of African Americans in Germany and the United States showing his honor during the war and how he even had a lover who was white. While he was there, his skin color was not as much of a controversy and he was eventually seen as a fellow soldier. Once he comes back to Mississippi, he cannot even walk through the front door of a shop without causing a major scene.
5. The different points of view enhance the perspective of each character, illuminating their problems as we are able to see them from first person point of view. Hearing the character’s problems and the effects that they had on them allowed us to understand them more thoroughly.
6. The bias of each character does not negatively impact the story at all. It enhances the plot, being able to read the character’s thoughts and actions, things they wouldn’t or can’t sat at loud.
The biases allow the reader to see every perspective and every aspect of life at this time. The bias does not cloud the story, the bias is the story.
7. Laura’s attitude toward being on the farm greatly impacted the mood of the story. Her aversion regarding her life on the farm drags the rest of the story down and gives it a depressing feel.
8. In all honesty, Pappy probably wouldn’t have had much to add to the story. There’s a reason the author didn’t give him a significant role in the story. His stubborn and discriminatory thoughts and words would’ve just kept the story from moving forward. His point of view would be most interesting to see in the part where Florence spent four nights with the family when the children were sick.
9. If I were Ronsel, I probably would have gone to the North to find appreciation. I would have found it intolerable and unsafe to go back to the South, and it probably would have been more productive to go to the North to try to change the way African Americans were treated both at home and in the army while they were serving their country.
10. I think Laura’s affair with Jamie was childish and selfish. She let herself fall in love with Jamie and cheat on her husband. She never wanted to be on the farm and didn’t try especially hard to learn to love it there, which if she had probably would have had a positive effect on her feelings toward Henry and might have prevented her fling.
Karina Le, Isabella Watts, Tamaron McKnight
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2) If she had been younger, Laura wouldn’t have had been as desperate as she was that caused the events of the affair to happen. Under the desperation of her aging and the wanting of affection that Henry couldn’t give caused the stigma of her desire and what she was believed to be morally right—additionally, she has experience one of the most boring lives EVER, and she wished to spice it up in a sense to make her feel more than a mother, a wife, a plain, subdued southern bell and make her feel like a “woman”.
SETTING
1) If the setting was in North, the actions taken against the Jacksons wouldn’t be so dramatic and it wouldn’t have been a plot point externally but internally. It would’ve changed it from the personal impact of the friendship of Ronsel and Jamie to the internalized doubt for Ronsel about whether or not to accept his skin tone as a part of him rather than something that prevents him to communicate with others, specifically the whites because Northern racism was internalized rather than blatantly stated like in the South.
POINT OF VIEW
1) Yes, because you’re getting the full perception of each individual character, but it also doesn’t put in to the full point of how it affects them, as you don’t get as much as introspection in each chapter for each character in comparison to an entire book dedicated to one character, However, the different perspectives show to the fullest extent on how different character is to each other.
2) Yes, especially so when taken into consideration on how each separate character is socialized from youth to ow. Especially in analyzation of how Ronsel acts towards white authority after and before the War.
STYLE
1) Yes, because she strongly disliked the life of the farm and it created the monotone of normality and just the bleakness of the tone especially in the beginning of the story as she discusses how she is “mudbound” on the farm.
2) It wouldn’t contribute that much, and the story itself would lose meaning because it’s better to hear about a racist man rather than actively listen to him.
Kyra Majewski, Sara Rule, Alexander Christie, Carina Giannini
ReplyDelete1. If Pappy did not influence Henry or Jamie, the two brothers would have been able to have their own beliefs about society and how things should be run without fear of being reprimanded by their racist father. Jamie’s friendship with Ronsel shows that he is quite different from his father, and Laura explains how Henry’s mood switches in a flash when his father is present.
2.It would change because she wouldn’t have been so desperate to marry and settle down. If she was younger, Laura would have been more free to make her own decisions and wouldn’t have been pressured into marrying the first man that shows interest in her.
3. If the story was set in the North, Ronsel would be given more rights as an African American and would not be treated as horribly. That being said, while the North did offer more opportunities, racism was still present in a different way. He would not be sneered at or called names in the North, but he would not escape whispers of people who still clung to their conservative beliefs.
4. Ronsel compares and contrast the treatment of African Americans in Germany and the United States showing his honor during the war and how he even had a lover who was white. While he was there, his skin color was not as much of a controversy and he was eventually seen as a fellow soldier. Once he comes back to Mississippi, he cannot even walk through the front door of a shop without causing a major scene.
5. The different points of view enhance the perspective of each character, illuminating their problems as we are able to see them from first person point of view. Hearing the character’s problems and the effects that they had on them allowed us to understand them more thoroughly.
6. The bias of each character does not negatively impact the story at all. It enhances the plot, being able to read the character’s thoughts and actions, things they wouldn’t or can’t sat at loud.
7. The biases allow the reader to see every perspective and every aspect of life at this time. The bias does not cloud the story, the bias is the story.
8. Laura’s attitude toward being on the farm greatly impacted the mood of the story. Her aversion regarding her life on the farm drags the rest of the story down and gives it a depressing feel.
9. In all honesty, Pappy probably wouldn’t have had much to add to the story. There’s a reason the author didn’t give him a significant role in the story. His stubborn and discriminatory thoughts and words would’ve just kept the story from moving forward. His point of view would be most interesting to see in the part where Florence spent four nights with the family when the children were sick.
10. If I were Ronsel, I probably would have gone to the North to find appreciation. I would have found it intolerable and unsafe to go back to the South, and it probably would have been more productive to go to the North to try to change the way African Americans were treated both at home and in the army while they were serving their country.
I think Laura’s affair with Jamie was childish and selfish. She let herself fall in love with Jamie and cheat on her husband. She never wanted to be on the farm and didn’t try especially hard to learn to love it there, which if she had probably would have had a positive effect on her feelings toward Henry and might have prevented her fling.
Question: If Pappy did not influence Henry or Jamie in any way, how would the book change? Would the ending be different.
ReplyDeleteAnswer: The book would have definitely changed. If Pappy had not always called Jamie names and treated him the way he did then Jamie wouldn’t feel the need to hide his true feelings. The two boys wouldn’t feel the need to try to prove themselves. The ending wouldn’t have been the same in terms of maybe Jamie and Laura. Pappy wouldn’t have been showed as such a hated man.
Question: If Laura had been twenty-one instead of thirty-one when she married Henry would the storyline or her perspective change. If yes, how?
Answer: Yes, it would have changed her perspective. She wouldn’t have been so anxious about her marriage and maybe would have been a little bit more open about things. She also wouldn’t have been so desperate to settle down with a man.
Question: Do you think Laura’s attitude toward being on the farm affected the mood of the story?
Answer: Yes, it certainly did. She was very much against not having running water or electricity which added a bit more to the story. She wanted normal civilization and not to be almost an hour away from most people.
Question: Would the story have more meaning if Pappy had been given a chapter in his perspective? Which scene would you like most to hear from his point-of-view?
Answer: It would have definitely added a bit of bitterness. Since Pappy was a very bitter prideful man it would be interesting to read the scene of Ronsel entering town in Pappy’s point-of-view.
Question: If you were Ronsel and had just come home from the war to racism and disrespect would you travel North in search of appreciation, or would you stay and help your struggling family?
Answer: I would stay and help my family. There is no point in trying to seek attention. It’s very selfish and prideful to do so.
Question: Do you consider Laura’s affair with Jamie as a selfish childish act against Henry, or as something Henry provoked and deserved from the lack of attention she received?
Answer: Laura’s affair was childish and selfish. She did in to spite Henry and fill a hole that he hadn’t filled. She devoted herself to Henry in marriage and not Jamie.