Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Debra Dean Madonnas of Leningrad


Debra Dean is coming to SOTA on March 29th!



 Writers and Books website:


wab.org/events/allofrochester/2012/index.shtml


NPR Interview:


www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5313845

A discussion with Debra Dean:

 conversationsfamouswriters.blogspot.com/2006/03/debra-dean-madonnas-of-leningrad.html

Here are the paintings:

teacat.shawwebspace.ca/photos/view/paintings_in_the_madonnas_of_len


Reading Group Guide  (contains spoilers)
Introduction
In this sublime debut novel, set amid the horrors of the siege of Leningrad during World War II, a gifted writer explores the power of memory to save us... and betray us.

Questions for Discussion
  1. The working of memory is a key theme of this novel. As a young woman, remembering the missing paintings is a deliberate act of survival and homage for Marina. In old age, however, she can no longer control what she remembers or forgets. "More distressing than the loss of words is the way that time contracts and fractures and drops her in unexpected places." How has Dean used the vagaries of Marina's memory to structure the novel? How does the narrative itself mimic the ways in which memory functions?
  2. Sometimes, Marina finds consolations within the loss of her short-term memory. "One of the effects of this deterioration seems to be that as the scope of her attention narrows, it also focuses like a magnifying glass on smaller pleasures that have escaped her notice for years." Is aging merely an accumulation of deficits or are there gifts as well?
  3. The narrative is interspersed with single-page chapters describing a room or a painting in the Hermitage Museum. Who is describing these paintings and what is the significance of the paintings chosen? How is each interlude connected to the chapter that follows?
  4. The historical period of The Madonnas of Leningrad begins with the outbreak of war. How is war portrayed in this novel? How is this view of World War II different from or similar to other accounts you have come across?
  5. Even though she says of herself that she is not a "believer," in what ways is Marina spiritual? Discuss Marina's faith: how does her spirituality compare with conventional religious belief? How do religion and miracles figure in this novel? What are the miracles that occur in The Madonnas of Leningrad?
  6. A central mystery revolves around Andre's conception. Marina describes a remarkable incident on the roof of the Hermitage when one of the statues from the roof of the Winter Palace, "a naked god," came to life, though she later discounts this as a hallucination. In her dotage, she tells her daughter-in-law that Andre's father is Zeus. Dmitri offers other explanations: she may have been raped by a soldier or it's possible that their only coupling before he went off to the front resulted in a son. What do you think actually happened? Is it a flaw or a strength of the novel that the author doesn't resolve this question?
  7. At the end of Marina's life, Helen admits that "once she had thought that she might discover some key to her mother if only she could get her likeness right, but she has since learned that the mysteries of another person only deepen, the longer one looks." How well do we ever know our parents? Are there things you've learned about your parents' past that helped you feel you knew them better?
  8. In much the same way that Marina is struggling with getting old, her daughter, Helen, is struggling with disappointments and regrets often associated with middle-age: her marriage has failed, her son is moving away, she may never get any recognition as an artist, and last but not least, she is losing a life-long battle with her weight. Are her feelings of failure the result of poor choices and a bad attitude or are such feelings an inevitable part of the human condition?
  9. In a sense, the novel has two separate but parallel endings: the young Marina giving the cadets a tour of the museum, and the elderly Marina giving the carpenter a tour of an unfinished house. What is the function of this coda? How would the novel be different if it ended with the cadets' tour?
  10. What adjectives would you use to describe The Madonnas of Leningrad? Given the often bleak subject matter - war, starvation, dementia -- is the novel's view of the world depressing?

Unless otherwise stated, this discussion guide is reprinted with the permission of Harper Perennial. Any page references refer to a USA edition of the book, usually the trade paperback version, and may vary in other editions.



9 comments:

  1. 6. I do believe that Andrei is not Dmitri’s child. With Marina’s perception of what happened, the foreshadowing, and Andrei’s features, it’s highly probable that she had been raped. I also believe that it had been a German man, seeing that Andrei had been born with blonde hair. When Dmitri reunites with Marina, when he is presented with their child, there is a moment where he sees a possibility, where he thinks that Andrei has German qualities. Also, during WWII, the thought that Germans were superior beings, with blonde hair and blue eyes, almost like a god, reinforced this theory. However, there is also the theory of recessive genes, explaining away the blond hair. Yet, with the scene atop of the building, it’s hard to believe that it had been an illusion. In spite of that, the mystery is a strength of the novel. Like what was said in the discussion in class, the gaps provide room for readers to fill them in themselves. It adds a depth to it, and it also leaves something behind that makes a memorable mark within the readers.

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  2. NO ONE READ THIS SPOILERS

    In a sense, the novel has two separate but parallel endings: the young Marina giving the cadets a tour of the museum, and the elderly Marina giving the carpenter a tour of an unfinished house. What is the function of this coda? How would the novel be different if it ended with the cadets' tour?

    It is only with its ending that the novel begins to embody its epigraph. At the end of the novel, there is a sense of underlying "grief"--the young cadets have just gotten back from fighting a brutal war, Marina has survived the siege of Leningrad (witnessing, in the process, the starvation of many), and we, as the reader, are aware that in the present Marina is rapidly deteriorating, and this, her wandering away, may be the incident that convinces Dimitri to move her to a home, something Andrei has been pushing for the entire novel. However, even in her deterioration, there is beauty. Marina cannot remember her present, but she can see clearly enough to see the beauty in the world, just as she "sees" the beauty of the paintings in the Hermitage. And just as Marina is able to show the beauty to the cadets and prove there is still beauty in the world, she shows the police officer the tremendous beauty in the world, the beauty the coexists seamlessly with her deterioration. This last moment is essential to the novel: it conveys a final message not of grief, but of hope and beauty.

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  3. Question Six

    The mystery that takes place around Andre’s conception is a focal point throughout the book. In my opinion, I think what happened on the roof was a hallucination, and that Andre is Dmitri’s child. I feel like the roof incident was more of a subconscious way of getting her to realize she was pregnant. Just because Andre doesn’t look like Dmitri, does not mean that he isn’t Dmitri’s child. Personally, the mystery adds to the story. It allows for the reader to choose what happened and to formulate their personal idea of whose Andre’s father was. It is one of the only parts of the book that forces the reader to think, to really think, about what happened for Andre to get conceived.

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  4. Shannon Kalia

    Adjectives that can be used to describe The Madonnas of Leningrad could be powerful, reflective, descriptive and captivating. The use of flashbacks from someone with such bad memory loss gives readers a sense of how hard and upsetting it would be to lose all memory loss, from smaller things like forgetting the last meal you ate to your most important memories. The imagery and how descriptive the story is about life during wartime makes the novel powerful, and does not make the novel depressing, but more realistic to what life was like, dealing with war, starvation and dementia.

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  5. Angela Rollins

    Every person we know holds their own secrets and stories. It is possible for this information to be shared, but there will always be things we remain ignorant of. This is especially true of parents. Before we are born, our parents lead their lives completely without us. They are different from the caretakers we know them as. Since we come into the world wholly dependent of them, it is not until much later we ask the important questions about them. Sometimes we ask too late. For Helen, the questions do not occur to her until her mother’s mind is too far gone and her father wishes to forget the answers. The more aware Helen becomes of the questions, and when Marina goes missing, Helen begins to focus in on her mother and try to draw her. This she does in hopes of finding her own answers, but no one can learn to know someone only through images.
    Personally, I pride myself in learning about my parents’ lives before my birth. I am slowly compiling a picture of their childhoods, their meeting, their struggles and adventures. I discuss with my aunts and uncles their childhoods, to get an image of life for my parents. I ask my grandmother about her parents. I feel like the more time passes and the longer I remain ignorant of them, the more I somehow betray them. I want to know what led them to their choices and eventually to me. It would be heartbreaking to let them go with not a soul understanding what happened. I feel like I know them better than I’d ever expected, and I plan to keep learning.

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    1. Sam'antae Hardaway

      #4 The war in this novel is given a new look because it is being experienced from a different prospective. Most of the things i have read that are surrounded by the World War are usually through the experiences of a Jewish person who is suffering. However in The Madonnas of Leningrad Marina seems way more concerned with the art and her own memory than the War itself. The way Debra Dean referred to the war was definitely less gruesome and horrific than how people often thin of that time period.

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  7. I personally believe that aging is not only an accumulation of deficits, but is also accompanied with gifts. Although aging comes with memory loss, the loss of hearing, and a level of difficulty when attempting physical activities, it also comes with the gift of appreciating things more. Like Marina says in the novel, her senses have begun to focus upon particular aspects in her life; narrowing in on details that she missed before. Being young, an individual is generally determined to accomplish certain goals in the shortest amount of time. Due to this, while an individual is young they do not stop to take notice of the small aspects in life; seeing only the big picture instead. Therefore, even though growing old does hinder many senses, by slowing down the fast pace in which an individual has been moving at, it lets them take notice at things they once were never able to truly examine before.

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  8. Ashley Lawson

    2. Aging is both an accumulation of deficits and there are gifts. While losing her memory and forgetting the precious moments in her life, Marina is now able to focus on the present and it is said that when you lose a sense, your other senses get stronger. With her memory becoming weaker, her attentiveness grows stronger. She can pick up on the little things that might have seemed unimportant at the time, but now have a more special meaning.

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